Welcome to the Track & Food podcast. Host Jamie Mah is a writer, bartender and sommelier in beautiful Vancouver, BC. With co-host Mickey McLeod, they take regular deep dives into everything food and culture in the city and around the globe.

In this episode, two Chef heavyweights talk collaboration, life during the pandemic, staying upbeat, frustrations with third-party delivery apps and why they both love Chef Peter Ho.

Chef and entrepreneur Doug Stephen has been killing it these past few years with his Downlow Chicken brand. Don’t believe me? Just drive on up to Commercial Drive at any time of the day and look for the massive crowd waiting outside for their orders. Then there’s Chef and Culinary Director Phil Scarfone of Osteria Savio Volpe, Pepino’s Spaghetti House and Caffe La Tana. You’d expect an ego the size of a truck after coming in second at Top Chef Canada a few years back, but as you’ll quickly discover during this interview, he’s our kind of guy: laidback and chill. Plus he’s a big forager. What’s not to like about that?