by Sean Orr | Megaphone releases video that shows VPD’s heavy handed arrest of homeless man. Come on VPD, we know you want to go viral on Youtube and get connected in the world of social networking, but this is the wrong way to go about it. Hey, why not just start a blog like the VidPD did? (holy crap, scroll down and find the Rubik’s Cube story!)
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I see nothing wrong with the way the cops dealt with the guy, he was highly resistant and combative and the use of force was totally inline with how he was acting. He is clearly going for the members belt and the members should be commended for not tasering, punching, hitting with a baton or shooting him. Knee strikes are taught to create distance and distract the subject to enable the members to take control.
Anytime the police resort to physical force it always looks bad.
Good job guys!
Anyone with an ounce of sense knows not to put their hands in their pockets when the police approach you.
Your lack of objectivity is apparent. You only have one lens that you use to view the world. You and David Eby or whatever his name is, need to sprinkle some objectivity on your coco puffs
I did a bit of research on this. Apparently the “homeless” fella had arrest warrants and was known to be violent towards police. Had you researched common law, you’d know that in Canada when a cop arrests you, he must place his hand on you. If you pull away, you are resisting arrest. Moreover, an arrest warrant commands “any police officer in BC to arrest the person and bring them as soon as is practicable to a JP”
Given the guy’s history, the fact he was wanted (which was clearly know to the cops) and that he first put his hand in his pocket then resisted, then grabbed at the gun belts, he and only he is responsible for what happened and should be charged as such.
Given the history of the police and how poorly they have dealt with the mental health crisis, due of course to a lack of resources, it feel its safe to post a link to a video in which everyone can see for themselves and therefore, as you have demonstrated, come to their own conclusions. The joke wasn’t even biased, and even went on to praise the transparency of another police departemnt, one which has also faced criticisms, the VicPD, and their launch of a blog. So I don’t really know where I even editorialized it, other than that you have transposed these sentiments onto my words, because in fact, I am particularly biased towards the VPD. The video is a response to a lack of transparency, especially in how they deal with the marginalised.
My point exactly, everytime I see your name, its all about the underdog being treated a certain away, and granted those that are marginalized often get the pointed end of the stick. However, you apply your paradigm to all and sundry, as you note you are biased, and in turn muddy the waters to support your view. Personal basis has a nasty habit of obscuring one’s view and killing objectivity.
Perhaps this fella’s lot in life has resulted in him making poor choices when he had few options, but the video shows the police acting appropriately to how he behaved towards them. You can’t reduce homelessness to an excuse for everything, everytime , many homeless persons are law abiding – this one is not.
And being unfortunate to have mental health issues does not make you any less dangerous to the police, in fact the opposite is true. that being said, I haven’t read anywhere that he did. So you take a ‘criminal’ on the DTES who may or may not have a mental health illness and mix it in with the fact he is homeless – volia ….
Well at least you never suggested that it we was targeted simply because he was black.
You are completely incapable of accepting that the police have to resort to force at times this was very low on the use of force continuum.
You bleeding heart liberals should out a walk in a coppers shoes one day. Much the same way you lump the homeless together you dump all VPD together.
Now how about that objectivity …….
OK well first off I’m hardly a bleeding heart liberal (ad hominem) and of course the police have to use force sometimes (slippery slope). You suggesting i’m not being objective, is indeed subjective. So there’s three flaws in logic. I did indeed generalise the homeless as often having mental health issues. I think grabbing for a cop’s gun belt is pretty insane. I also see myself as a pundit/editorialist anyways, so I don’t really see what being objective has to do with it. I have a very strong moral compass and no formal education in journalism. I am a blogger. This is a blog. If you want objectivity, I suggest you go to The Tyee or the CBC or something like that.
So a cop out really, pun intended. Would you not agree that you swing widely to the left, having seen your name attached such liberal issues in the past? I may have mildly resorted to ad hominem but to make a point that you are biased, as you rightly admitted.
I’ll take this as close to an admission that you didn’t choose an appropriate video to champion your cause against the VPD and support of the mentally ill – which I support but not in the manner you have elected to do so.
And I don’t see why you can’t have objectivity on a blog. I like to think I do and had the police over stepped the mark, as they do at times do, I’d have had plenty to say. That is simply note the case here and I support the difficult job that the police have to do.
I still don’t even see how I wasn’t being objective. I just linked to the video and the ensuing editorial on Megaphone. I merely suggested that better optics would be starting a blog like the VicPD did, and I believe that. Still, it is obvious that you are bias against me. I had already made an admission, THEN you resorted to name calling and refuse my logic as a cop out. I accept you point that the police have a tough job. I said that originally. But to say that because I am highly critical of the VPD, based, as you then admit, on a poor record; my point is automatically flawed. The slippery slope logic flaw states that just because I have condemned them in the past, make me absolutely against all force. This is of course absurd.