I never would have imagined that I would be writing a post about a fairly racist remark on Beyond Robson’s Morning Brew for Scout Magazine! After all, I was accused of the very thing in that same column. But what is different here – and I believe this – is that Alana’s attitude comes from a sort of shock-jock, Bruce Allen ‘shut up and fit in’, conservative, knee-jerk reactionary, pedestrian point of view.
“And you know what, I don’t give a shit what your religion is. If you don’t like the way we do things here, get the fuck out. Do you think I’d emigrate to your country? No, before I moved to a country I would ask myself: is this place ideologically compatible with my way of life? We have freedom of speech here… get used to it. But, on a more positive note, Islamic scientists have discovered the cause of earthquakes”.
As I pointed out in the comments, I don’t really understand what the latter has to do with the former, but what is important is how familiar this sentiment is. This is something I don’t think even The Province would publish — Rachel Marsden maybe, or even CKNW — but not Beyond Robson. And yet, just the day before the other Morning Brew writer said this,
This is a disgusting display of religious intolerance. I mean, he hasn’t even scrawled any offensive pictures of Mohammad! Come on, Sikh extremists, at least wait until he does something really bad — like, say, advocating the HST.
Again, I ask what do offensive pictures of Mohammad have to do with Sikh extremism? All that I get from this is a desperate attempt to be cynical for the sake of being cynical (and yes, I’ve been accused of the very thing). But, there is a whiff here of the kind of intellectual laziness promoted by such rhetorical masters as Fox News. By saying the two in the same sentence you have successfully bypassed any contextual differences by way of a semantic flourish. Now, this doesn’t mean that Jon Turner is stating unequivocally that because both religions have extremist elements and dark brown skin they are basically the same, but that is how it reads. And it’s probably just because we are so used to this language coming from neo-conservative media that it has ingrained itself in our own. Nevertheless, these two examples prove to me that we must be ever vigilant, as bloggers, of the same kind of intellectual laziness so often found in those who intentionally manipulate language to promote their own, often extremist, ideologies.

The new morning brew is pretty brutal.
Is this your new spot? Time to change my reading material.
This is taken completely out of context, in my opinion. And, I take serious offense to being labeled a racist merely for commenting on the extremist behaviours of the few members that belong to some group. I intentionally neglected to mention the group because I wanted to avoid this association. Moreover, I believe if you spoke to the average Sikh Canadian, they would agree that threatening someone for having a different point of view is extremist behaviour. My comment about “i don’t give a shit what your religion is” was a condemnation of immoral behaviour based on so-called “religious” beliefs and that it doesn’t matter to me where it’s coming from – it’s wrong. To this end…fuck catholics – (or at least the ones who sleep comfortably at night hiding priests that molest – needed to add that bit or everybody might think I want to go on a catholic sex binge).
and to remark on the subsequent mention of Iranian clerics blaming women for earthquakes in my post, it was meant to lump extremist, intolerant behaviour into one group…rather than focusing on “sikhs” or “muslims”…because i respect their cultures and understand that extremist behaviour is not human nature or sikh nature or muslim nature…that’s why we call it “extreme”. i expected you to be more astute…but i was wrong. and i won’t make that mistake again.
you have every right to disagree with me but your very obtuse interpretation of my piece does not make me an ignorant person. on the contrary, i’m very familiar with cultural differences that exist and how they can impact a person’s behaviour. I value cultural diversity and the freedom to discuss the advantages and shortcomings of various cultures.
There’s a pot calling the kettle, black, somewhere.
I don’t know the writer at BR and I have been less than turned on by Morning Brew (past or present) but it is really pathetic to try to get readers by shitting on someone else. It seems to me you are warping her comments for the sake of your post. She is new. Maybe try and give the chick a chance and be constructive. We all start somewhere. You are acting like a spoilt, petty brat. Try finding something more original to write about.
So Scout brought Orr on so he could kvetch about his old gig? Oh goodie.
“Try finding something more original to write about.” Ha ha, like say for example, cherry blossoms? Or no, wait, I got it, “Vancouver Showers Celebrate Babies and Wedding Vows in Style”. I’m not trying to ‘get readers’ but I am being petty. I think I admitted that already. I’m not warping her comments, I just think they have no right being on Beyond Robson. I didn’t spend 3 years writing the column for it to turn into a conservative mouthpiece masquerading as hip cynicism.
“This is taken completely out of context, in my opinion. And, I take serious offense to being labeled a racist merely for commenting on the extremist behaviours of the few members that belong to some group”.
A) You were not simply “commenting on the extremist behaviour of a few members of a group” you were adopting a very tried and true method of conservative, knee-jerk reactionary, shock-jock punditry. “If you don’t like it here go home” has been used by people like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bruce Allen (he actually said the same thing about Sikhs), and any other right wing hack out there. I am trying to add context, not take it away.
B) I’m not labeling you a racist, but your remarks fail to differentiate between those who have used the same sentiment who actually are racist.
C) Obviously it is wrong of these Sikhs to make death threats. I just don’t see how you’ve positioned yourself in any way as “very familiar with cultural differences that exist and how they can impact a person’s behaviour”. I think you have intentionally done the reverse. You have actually taken away those nuances by saying they should just leave. You are saying that there should not be conversation, that they should “shut the fuck up”. It just doesn’t seem to invite anything other than moral indignation.
heard this enough now…conservative, knee-jerk reactionary, shock-jock punditry…is that the only description you have of conservative points of view.
and wow…congrats to you for being the first person to describe me as conservative. i personally never said a damn thing about anybody except those uttering the threats; but, i’ve tried to explain my point of view, my attempt at irony, and my expectation that you could derive a deeper understanding. so i’m done with that. but thanks for the lively debate…at least we’re thinking.
From the response to my post, i have learned that i have to spell out the minutiae of every little thing i say.
“I didn’t spend 3 years writing the column for it to turn into a conservative mouthpiece masquerading as hip cynicism.”
Seriously?
Go baw some more.
Come on, everybody. Let’s not all drink the Haterade. Sean, with his reactionary, knee jerk conservative punditry provides a valuable service to the tiny, tiny Vancouver blogosphere. His revisionist outlook reflects very clearly, the pervasive attitude of contempt and hypocrisy that lies beneath the vocalizations or writings of many so called “free thinkers” egalitarians, activists, etc.
Now that Sean has clearly demonstrated this behavior, we should consider looking carefully at those he chooses to associate himself with, either through his words, writing or actions and try to determine their ultimate motivations and hidden interests.
Let’s look for example at a certain well known hotel society in the DTES. A couple of their leading members have recently been overheard negotiating a buy-in to an upcoming condominium development in the DTES. What is interesting about this buy-in is that it has nothing to do with housing those in need, but rather generating tremendous profits in the red hot Vancouver real estate market. Of course, a portion those profits would be funneled back to the hotel society in question, however the rest of those profits would no doubt go towards maintaining the lifestyles of the individuals who negotiated said deal. Commissions would be paid out, bonuses as well. Everyone wins, except those who still need a place to live. Why? Because if you solve the homeless / poverty problem in our city, a lot of people with vested interests will suddenly be looking for a new line of work. Exec. Directors across the lower mainland will no longer have soapboxes to stand on, no more inquisitive minds wanting to know, no more glory and admiration from other academic free thinking grass roots activisty types with million dollar homes in Mount Pleasant.
But I digress, K’naan just called and he’s got an 8-ball with my name on it and I’m jonesin.
So yeah, lets not get mad at Sean for doing his job. He certainly helps me with mine.
I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, but if you are implying that I have something to do with the PHS you are wrong. Although I did recently hop on board a bus rented by them to attend the funeral of Devon Clifford, but I see that you’ve already mocked this particular tragedy. (http://www.hipsterdesigner.com/?p=124) Well done, really. Posthumously calling someone a coke-head is a super clever and tactful way to get your point across. Oh but there I go calling the pot black again. Please let me know when one of your friends dies suddenly and I’ll be sure to make fun of it. YOU PIECE OF FUCKING SHIT STOP COMMENTING ON MY POSTS.
Sean:
“I am the real deal!.”
Scout:
“Please don’t disagree with that.”
Michelle:
“Andrew, is this the right thing to do?”
Sean:
“Fuck you!”
Readership:
“Oh no….”
Giggle. You have our dynamic totally pegged.
Readership was very good before, and it’s coming along very nicely with Sean on board. I’d say we’ve never been busier, but then there was that week when we broke that unfortunate news concerning the sheep and the baker. Either way, we couldn’t be happier.
As he alluded in his first post, we offered Sean a job about a month before the site was even built. He politely passed, wanting to stay and develop Beyond Robson. He did exactly that, and splendidly so, turning it into one of the most widely read local websites. We agree on most things and disagree on some, but what I appreciate most of all is that he has a more natural intolerance for bullshit and hypocrisy than I do. That’s the sort of thing I want to read every day on the internet.
So in light of that, I think you’re very silly indeed. That doesn’t you less amusing, however, so thanks awfully for that.
Hey Hipster Designer:
Nobody reads your shitty blog. You ride everyone else’s coat tails by trolling the comments section talking nonsense.
Shut the fuck up and try to get people’s attention by writing content that people actually like, not making yourself the idiot yelling shit in the back of the room for attention.
Hi, Sean,
I have not implied your involvement with anything except for the use of other people’s misfortunes to increase your social currency. I will definitely let you know if one of my friends dies so you can make fun.
If you would like me to stop commenting on your posts, please stop writing them, or consider enabling the website’s comment blocking or censorship function.
Until then,
HD
Fine, I’ll just have to break your fucking fingers you piece of shit. I’m deadly serious. I really want to fight you. I’m sure you want to fight me, so let’s make it happen. Show yourself you troll.
Hipster Designer’s website is a piece of shit. Troll extraordinaire.
Hipster designer = pussy hiding behind an alias.
I dare you to reveal your real name and keep posting your garbage. But we all know you won’t because you’re a pathetic individual that hides behind a computer, slinging mud.
I don’t agree with lots of stuff that Sean writes, but I respect him because he puts himself out there for people to debate his point of view.
You on the other hand, are a waste of skin.
“Fine, I’ll just have to break your fucking fingers you piece of shit. I’m deadly serious. I really want to fight you. I’m sure you want to fight me, so let’s make it happen. Show yourself you troll.”
What is this, grade seven?
An odd facet of the SCOUT Mag brand, for sure.
No this is not grade 7. It would be so much easier if it was. Unfortunately, this ‘adult’ wrote a disgusting post on his blog about my friend Devon who just died entitled “Hipsters Love Dead Drummers”. He then goes on to hint that Devon died due to cocaine use, when it was a birth defect. He will not remove the post, and worse, his twitter icon now features Devon with both of his eyes Xed out. He has been commenting on my articles for almost a year now and I have refused to take the bait. But this is beyond me. This is about respect. I’m sorry that I’ve spoiled the good times here on Scout, but I won’t apologize for my passion. Threats of violence are uncool. I know that. I crossed the line. And I’m sorry. But his mask of anonymity is so incredibly frustrating. We’re working on a cease and desist order right now, so it will never turn violent, its just that sometimes you have to make yourself bigger; you have to beat your chest. Its not logical or rational, I know this. But its my reaction. Its how I feel.
When Hipster Designer first started commenting on Scout I thought he was alright, but the sort of lame he is now up to is pretty inexcusable. Random awfulness comes with the territory, I guess, but I’d prefer it if he chilled his stuff out. I’d probably react the same way as Sean if I knew Devon and some jackass decided to hurt the feelings of the friends and family that survive him. Maybe worse.
PS. I wouldn’t call it a threat of violence so much as it may have been an invitation. I’m not a big endorser of violence as a means to solve anything, but I get the anger.
Andrew,
You have to be honest, you commented quite favorably to one of my more “unapologetic” posts. You wished I would write more. Knowing my particular penchant for the trenchant, that genie was something you helped unleash. But, in the spirit of unleased genies, I have created a page on my site that hopefully will enlighten those who find my tonic a little strong. Like a spoon full of sugar: http://www.hipsterdesigner.com/?page_id=153
HD
PS: I don’t know if Sean BCC’s you on his emails to me, but I’d be glad to forward them to you so you can make your own well balanced opinions and not feel you have to apologize for someone else’s ranting, just ’cause he writes for you.
Stay Sexy, and I’d be happy to see more of your comments on my site as well since I helped with yours.
I think that’s more than enough, Bartosz. Thanks for playing the anonymous game. Unfortunately, you lost.
you people should all be raped to death. and by you people i mean any one who agrees with the steaming pile of bull shit that is this article.
why don’t you go gerk off into your Netchy hard cover and then sit around you favorite fag coffee bar and talk about your masturbation session with your friends. You bunch of un inspired tits. the very fact that you exist is reason enough to start a campaign of violence against any one in a plad shirt donning a pair of RayBan’s and a burrito but your ability to actually publish, in some capacity, the drivel in you obviously molested brain, is an abomination of unspoken social law.
pleases for the sake of the human race, never procreate and stop writing…. you suck. normally i would encourage people to wright more because i know they will eventually get better but you are just so incredibly bad at it and. . . . your an idiot.
i wish i could just ignore you but something must be done about you people and your shitty everything.
if you hipster louses ever get anything out of life ill be surprised but try to absorb this one thing….. you are not unique. your just a retard
nothing could posibly suck worse than you people.
Sir. You wrote write wrong. Unless your rant was perhaps about the early days of aviation?